Copy of e/mail to Thomson holidays sent on 13th July via their website yet to rec a reply.
My wife and I spent a wonderful holiday in Samos. The holiday was ruined by the return flight. Sadly we were on the Manchester flight. We boarded at 2 45pm, everything appeared to be going ok. Then the problems started. The Captain announced we were overweight for takeoff so some of the luggage would have to be removed which was duly done. So we left the terminal and taxied to the runway. The engines stared to rev but nothing happened, then an announcement from the Captain that the wind had changed direction had we would have to wait. Next the take off was aborted. We now taxied back to the terminal building.
The Captain came out and explained that low pressure, high temperatures and strong winds were causing the problem. His suggestions were we could remove fuel and stop and fill up somewhere on route but this could cause huge problems. The best solution would be to remove the entire luggage but the decision was not his he had to wait for Luton Operations for authority. The luggage was removed and we finally took off.
By the time we returned to Manchester we had been stuck on the plane for 6 ½ hours and all we received was a free drink.
Will you please explain to me why we had all these problems when the Gatwick flight went off without a problem?
omg sorry to hear you had a bad return.
somthing like that happened to us on return from egypt, we got told once we boarded plane to come home. due to fuel allowance some of the suitcases would be following in ( get this ) a plane that had gone out already and one goin out after us, but not to worry once we landed at airport and our luggage was not there it will be sent on to our homes at no cost to us, am glad to say we werent one of the ones who had to wait on our luggage being sent to us, but my question is the same amount of people/luggage came over on plane so why didnt they just fill the plane up with that amount fuel and bring us home with luggage. the mind boggles lol
somthing like that happened to us on return from egypt, we got told once we boarded plane to come home. due to fuel allowance some of the suitcases would be following in ( get this ) a plane that had gone out already and one goin out after us, but not to worry once we landed at airport and our luggage was not there it will be sent on to our homes at no cost to us, am glad to say we werent one of the ones who had to wait on our luggage being sent to us, but my question is the same amount of people/luggage came over on plane so why didnt they just fill the plane up with that amount fuel and bring us home with luggage. the mind boggles lol
moved to flights forum for expert opinion
Weight, altitude, temperature, runway length and obstacles in the take off path are the factors that affect the take off weight of any aircraft. Samos is a short runway, add to that a high temperature then you are getting to the limits of take off performance. Most aircraft with anything like a full load at Samos will be operating at close to their maximum take off weight. Headwind improves the permitted take off weight but, if you get to the take off point and the headwind drops off or, worse, becomes a tail wind then there is no option but to abandon the take off. Runway length is fixed. If you are lucky a take off in the opposite direction may be possible but this may present a more restricting take off weight.You cannot do much about the temperature so the only option is to reduce the aircraft weight. Do you offload passengers or the bags. The bags are usually the preferred option.
Take off performance varies with aircraft type and even varies within type. For example Airbus 320 aircraft fitted with Rolls Royce engines generally have poorer take off performance than those fitted with CFM engines.
Take off performance varies with aircraft type and even varies within type. For example Airbus 320 aircraft fitted with Rolls Royce engines generally have poorer take off performance than those fitted with CFM engines.
All of what has been posted sounds reasonable to me in terms of flight operations and ensuring a safe flight.
Darren
Darren
busdriver wrote:Weight, altitude, temperature, runway length and obstacles in the take off path are the factors that affect the take off weight of any aircraft. Samos is a short runway, add to that a high temperature then you are getting to the limits of take off performance. Most aircraft with anything like a full load at Samos will be operating at close to their maximum take off weight. Headwind improves the permitted take off weight but, if you get to the take off point and the headwind drops off or, worse, becomes a tail wind then there is no option but to abandon the take off. Runway length is fixed. If you are lucky a take off in the opposite direction may be possible but this may present a more restricting take off weight.You cannot do much about the temperature so the only option is to reduce the aircraft weight. Do you offload passengers or the bags. The bags are usually the preferred option.
Take off performance varies with aircraft type and even varies within type. For example Airbus 320 aircraft fitted with Rolls Royce engines generally have poorer take off performance than those fitted with CFM engines.
Woo Hoo!
All that from a "busdriver"
You sure you weren't a Captain in a previous life?
Great post!
Busdriver of a big bus with some 300+ seats!!!!
Wizard HT Mod wrote:Shell
its an Anglo French bus [with about 7 on board crew]:rofl
Bloody big bus!
Was the Aircraft a 737-300 by any chance??
Way back in August 2002 I flew to Kos with Air Scandic.
A little cramped on an Airbus A300
- with what seemed like a thousand people crammed on board.
I’ve never before or since seen a passenger density like it.
Seat pitch must have been right at the legal minimum limit.
However the return flight was delayed.
We could all see the plane sitting on the tarmac, it just wasn’t boarding, and no explanations forthcoming.
And then we were told – it was simply “too hot for the plane to take offâ€.
So we watched for SEVEN HOURS while other airlines and less crammed flights took off perfectly OK.
In the evening we boarded and flew home – all very annoyed passengers.
Air Scandic went bust shortly afterwards.
Quite a lot of folk cheered when the news broke.
A little cramped on an Airbus A300
- with what seemed like a thousand people crammed on board.
I’ve never before or since seen a passenger density like it.
Seat pitch must have been right at the legal minimum limit.
However the return flight was delayed.
We could all see the plane sitting on the tarmac, it just wasn’t boarding, and no explanations forthcoming.
And then we were told – it was simply “too hot for the plane to take offâ€.
So we watched for SEVEN HOURS while other airlines and less crammed flights took off perfectly OK.
In the evening we boarded and flew home – all very annoyed passengers.
Air Scandic went bust shortly afterwards.
Quite a lot of folk cheered when the news broke.
qatarman wrote:Was the Aircraft a 737-300 by any chance??
All aircraft have performance limits with regards to weight, not just the smaller types.
ukbill wrote:And then we were told – it was simply “too hot for the plane to take off
Temperature effects air density and is therefore a critical factor in aircraft performance.
Darren
Take off performance is based on worst case scenario; failure on an engine at the critical time. As Dazbo states air density decreases with temperature. Once you get above 29 celsius then temperature becomes a factor. The northerly runway at Kos is also performance limited due to obstacles in the take off path.
Temperature factor here in Qatar that's i am told is why the runway is so long???
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