Egypt Discussion Forum

Discussions regarding holidays in Egypt.
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we are going Thursday. Unless the FO say we should not go I am still going..
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I have just spoken to my travel agent who tells me it should be ok to travel, I am waiting for the Foreign Office to release a statement this afternoon, but fingers crossed, it should be fine, so it looks like we are going!!
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Awful as they are these attacks have to be looked at as an attack on Israelis rather than an attack on tourists in Egypt.

It is of course up to the individual to make their own decision (unless there is change in foriegn office advice),however if I had a trip booked to any of the Red Sea resorts I would certainly be travelling as planned.

Regards

m
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We are booked to go to Nuweiba, which is uncomforably close to the Israeli border. I've read reports saying that one group who claimed responsibility are saying more attacks will continue throughout the month of Ramadan.

We are still undecided as to what to do. We are wondering whether, if we have the option from our travel agent, it would be safer to move to somewhere like Hurgada. This is quite a long way away from Israel and might be safer.

I wonder if anyone has an opinion on this theory. We are shocked, saddened and don't know what to do. We were so looking forward to our holiday.

J
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What I think you'll find is that your travel agents hands will be tied by the tour operator.

m
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Hi all
We have just returned from the most wonderful holiday at the Hilton Nuweiba so you can imiagine our horror when pulling in to the services on the way back from the airport to see on Sky News what had happened there.

During our week there we commented on how safe and security concious the place was and even on our way back through the Taba Gateway yesterday afternoon the police check and passport check before we were allowed through.

It is sad that things like this happen and I'm sure the effects will be felt for a while yet.

To anyone due to go depending on the home office advice I would say the Hilton Nuweiba itself is a wonderful resort and felt very safe at all times.

Claire x
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Just telephoned my Travel agent They are waiting for a statement from Longwoods. they have statemnts from Lybra and one other who state that customers should continue to travel as booked at this stage. My Travel agent stated that longwoods are probably awaiting response from the FO. They could then offer no change or one of two options, full refund or alternative holiday. I am still going at this stage.
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At the moment the Foreign Office are not advising against travel.

I have a holiday for 6 people booked for next summer to Sharm.

At work this morning a few people said if they were me they'd cancel and book an alternative holiday.

I've been so looking forward to going to Sharm. Unless the Foreign Office change their advice, or if the rest of the family feel the risk is too great, I'm not going to cancel.

This is from the Foreign Office website...




Still Current at: 8 October 2004
Updated: 8 October 2004


Egypt


This advice has been reviewed and reissued with amendments to the Summary and Terrorism section. The overall level of the advice has not change.

SUMMARY

On 7 October, explosions occurred at three Sinai resorts of Taba, Nuabia and Ras El Shitan. The Hilton hotel in Taba was damaged and there are a number of deaths and injuries.

There is a threat of terrorism in Egypt.

Approximately 368,000 British nationals visited Egypt in 2003, mainly as tourists. Most visits are trouble free.

Crime rate is low but you should safeguard valuables including passports and money.

Egyptian society is conservative and women should dress modestly.

We strongly recommend that you obtain comprehensive travel and medical insurance before travelling.

SAFETY AND SECURITY

Terrorism

There is a threat of terrorism in Egypt. On 7 October, explosions occurred at three Sinai resorts of Taba, Nuabia and Ras El Shitan. The Hilton hotel in Taba was damaged and a number of deaths and injuries have resulted. There were a number of attacks in the early to mid-90s. Since then, Egypt's police and security forces have made a considerable effort to ensure the safety and security of foreign visitors. The security forces maintain a uniformed presence at most tourist sites and make regular police searches. They may insist on escorting travellers in some areas.

You should be aware of the global risk of indiscriminate terrorist attacks, which could be against civilian targets, including places frequented by foreigners. Please read Security and General Tips and Risk of Terrorism when Travelling Overseas for further information and advice. Please also check the British Embassy website: Egypt: British Embassy Cairo


Crime

The crime rate in Egypt is low but you should take sensible precautions. Take care of your passport and valuables. Use hotel safes and be aware of pickpockets and bag snatchers.

There have been attacks by armed pirates against ships in the southern Red Sea. Travellers in small boats should move in convoy and obtain detailed advice from Maritime Agencies before travelling through the area.

Political Situation

Opposition in Egypt to British policy in the Middle East is widespread. The conflict in Iraq triggered demonstrations across the country and the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians continues to provoke public anger and demonstrations. The Egyptian authorities have policed past demonstrations heavily and effectively.

You should follow news reports and be alert to developments in the Middle East that might trigger public disturbance. Any increase in regional tension might affect travel advice. You should avoid political gatherings and demonstrations, and respect any advice or instruction from the local security authorities.

Local Travel

There remains a small risk from unexploded mines in certain desert areas in the north west of Egypt, and some limited stretches of coast. Danger areas are usually well marked with signs and barbed wire fencing. Visitors should exercise caution and follow local advice.

Road Safety

Local driving conditions and poor vehicle maintenance make road travel outside the main cities hazardous. Avoid driving on country roads at night and observe the local speed limit. Make sure you obtain third party insurance. In the event of an accident emergency medical facilities are limited. By law, seatbelts must be worn when travelling in the front of a vehicle. Where available, seatbelts should be worn at all times. Child car seats are available locally.

Foreign residents must apply for an Egyptian driving licence. Visitors need an international driving licence.

Only certain categories of foreign residents may import vehicles. Vehicles of visitors should be temporarily imported with a valid "carnet de passage" available from the Automobile Association.

Pavement and pedestrian crossings are not always present and drivers do not give right of way to pedestrians.

If travelling off road, a qualified guide should be employed.

Air Safety

Air travel is generally considered safe in Egypt.

River Safety

There have been a number of accidents involving Nile cruisers during the last couple of years.

LOCAL LAWS AND CUSTOMS

Egypt is a conservative society. You should dress modestly and especially when visiting traditional areas like mosques and souqs (markets). Women's clothes should cover their legs and upper arms. Public displays of affection are frowned upon.

You should not drink, eat or smoke in public between sunrise and sunset during the lunar month of Ramadan, although children of the age of seven years or under are allowed to do so. Ramadan begins in October 2004.Possession, use or trafficking in illegal drugs is a serious offence and can, even for possession of small amounts, lead to long prison sentences (25 years) or the death penalty.

Photography of, or near, military official installations is strictly prohibited. Don't photograph officials without their consent.

Egypt is an Islamic country and as such it is considered illegal for a Muslim to convert to Christianity. The government does not interfere with the practice of Christianity, but encouraging conversion to the Christian faith is illegal.

Under Egyptian law, homosexuality is considered illegal.

Women are advised to take extra caution when travelling alone as there have been isolated incidents of harassment.

It is becoming more common in Egypt for hotels and medical facilities to seek payment in hard currency.

ENTRY REQUIREMENTS

British visitors need a visa. These can be obtained from an Egyptian Consulate outside Egypt or on arrival by payment in Sterling or USD, for stays up to a month. Applications for extensions should be made at the Egyptian Passport and Immigration Offices. You cannot leave Egypt with an out of date visa. For visas and further information on entry requirements, check with the Egyptian Embassy in your country of residence. (Egyptian Representation in the UK.)

Evidence of an AIDS test is required if you are applying for a work permit.

Passports should be valid for at least six months. However, many Immigration officials will admit visitors providing the passport is valid for the duration of the intended stay.

5,000 Egyptian pounds is the maximum amount of local currency you are allowed to bring in or take out of Egypt. There is no limit to the amount of hard currency that you may bring in, but sums that exceed USD 10,000 should be declared on arrival. Egyptian currency should not be sent through the post.

Certain valuables such as electrical equipment, video camera etc must be declared on arrival. Electrical items noted in passports must be produced on exit from the country. Failure to do so will result in payment of high rates of customs duty. It is advisable to contact the Egyptian embassy in your country of residence for specific information regarding customs requirements.

HEALTH

You are strongly recommended to obtain comprehensive travel and medical insurance before travelling. Make sure it covers the cost of local hospitalisation and medical repatriation to your country of residence. Medical facilities outside Cairo can be basic and in case of emergency you are advised to seek treatment in Cairo.

Come prepared for the heat. Use a high factor sun-block and drink plenty of water to guard against exposure and dehydration which can result in serious health problems.

Contact your GP about current inoculation requirements and other medical advice. Contact your insurer if you have had a previous health condition, including mental illness, which may not be covered if it recurs.

In general tap water is not safe to drink. Bottled water is cheap and readily available.

For further information on health, check the Department of Health's website at: http://www.dh.gov.uk

NATURAL DISASTERS

Egypt is susceptible to occasional earthquakes; the last major one was in 1992.

GENERAL

British nationals visiting and resident in Egypt should register at the British Embassy. This can be done in person or on-line at: Egypt: British Embassy Cairo


ATMs are quite common in Egypt, especially in the main tourist areas. Scottish and Northern Irish bank notes are not exchangeable in Egypt.

Visitors and residents should carry photographic ID at all times. Passports must contain valid visas.

All flights, domestic and international, should be reconfirmed within 72 hours of travel.

OTHER

Egypt Country Profile

CONTACT DETAILS

Address: British Embassy
7 Ahmed Ragheb Street
Garden City
Cairo

Telephone: (20) (2) 794 0852
(20) (2) 794 0850
(20) (2) 794 0858


Facsimile: (20) (2) 796 1458 Political
(20) (2) 794 0859 Commercial
(20) (2) 796 3222 Management
(20) (2) 795 1235 Visa
(20) (2) 794 3065 Consular & Information


Email: consular.cairo@fco.gov.uk Consular
visa.cairo@fco.gov.uk
commercial.cairo@fco.gov.uk Commercial
defencestaff.CAIRX@fco.gov.uk Defence
information.cairo@fco.gov.uk Information
economic.cairo@fco.gov.uk Economic
development.cairo@fco.gov.uk Development


Office Hours: GMT:
Sun-Wed: 0500-1230
Thurs: 0500-1100

Local Time:
Sun-Wed: 0800-1530
Thurs: 0800-1400


Website: http://www.britishembassy.gov.uk/egypt

See Also: Travellers' Tips: Egypt
UK Overseas Mission: Egypt /quote]
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Hi All

On the subject of the explosions, John J. Smith: Where did you read that there would be further explosions during the month of Ramadan? This is important to know.
I am new to this site but I frequently read and comment on another Red Sea website and I had read that a German website had stated there may be terrorist attacks during the Jewish holiday. So if there are any other warnings, please let us know.
So far, the Foreign Office has not advised against travel. This would be by the way a real disaster since Sharm el Sheikh/Dahab/Nuweiba is absolutely packed with tourists at the end of this month during our half-term holiday in the U.K.

Luchy
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Luchy, in response to the warning, it came from a website, text below. As it is three groups have claimed responsibility, this is just one of them. Whether its scaremongering or an actual real warning, we just don't know. We're still waiting to hear back from Longwoods too, as to what we need to do. We booked through another agent that booked it on our behalf with Longwoods, but we have only contacted Longwoods so far.

I wish I knew what to do. I just wonder, if we can change, whether Hurgada/ El Gouna will be safer..
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/110670/1/.html

JERUSALEM: The deadly blast at the Hilton hotel in Egypt's Red Sea resort of Taba on the border with Israel late Thursday was claimed by the previously unknown "World Islamist Group", in a telephone call to AFP here.

"Jamaa Al-Islamiya Al-Alamiya (World Islamist Group) claims responsibility for the explosion at the Taba hotel, carried out in revenge for the Palestinian and Arab martyrs dying in Palestine and Iraq," the caller said.

"Jamaa will carry out a series of martyr operations (suicide attacks) during the month of Ramadan to avenge these martyrs," he said.

The holy Muslim fasting month of Ramadan begins in mid-October. - AFP
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I don't know long this will last, but it appears Taba/Nuweiba are now closed military zones..

http://en.rian.ru/rian/index.cfm?prd_id=160&msg_id=4947862&startrow=1&date=2004-10-08&do_alert=0

MOSCOW, October 8 (RIA Novosti) - The terrorist attacks in Egypt are connected to Israel's latest actions in the Gaza Strip, Professor Vitaly Naumkin, a Russian expert and the Editor-in-Chief of the Vostok magazine, said in an interview with RIA Novosti.

"The organizations which claimed responsibility for these terrorist attacks," he said, "connect their attacks with Israel's latest actions in the Gaza Strip and, of course, with the United States' actions in Iraq.

"However, above all, these acts are aimed against Israel, because Taba and Sinai are the Egyptian resorts which Israelis frequent and have always been viewed as quiet and safe for Israeli citizens."

The expert said, "Today Egypt must do everything possible to ensure security on the Sinai peninsula and prevent the growth of the ulcer of terrorism."

The expert said that new tough security measures might be taken to enable the Israelis to continue their trips to the Egyptian resorts.

Today, Egypt has completely blocked the roads and the resort towns of Taba, Nuweib and Sharm El Sheikh and designated them as closed military zones.

Mr. Naumkin did not see a connection between the explosions in Egypt and the explosion outside the Indonesian Embassy in Paris.

"That explosion is most likely connected to the internal political situation in Indonesia," he said, "where a change of government is underway, and the positions of radical Islamists are very strong."

But he stressed that such actions could always be qualified as the actions of an organized network of international terrorist organizations, because separate "groups from among Islamic terrorist organizations always act outside the territory of their own country."

"They follow the international agenda,"
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Hi

I have just spoken to the Foreign office who have told me that they are not advising anyone to change any plans to travel to Egypt. They told me that as this is the first attack in 7 years, they are not expecting any more. They also think that the attack was aimed at the Israelies and as they have all been advised to leave the country it should be ok to travel.

Hope this helps
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We plan to travel to Sharm next week. Yes, slightly apprehensive but there is a threat of terrorism worldwide and still plan to travel unless specifically advised not to.

My thoughts are with all those affected by the recent bombings.
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I heard about terrorism threats to this area via a webforum (most likely here or GoRedSea - but now can't find that post.
As I recall it had come via the Grman government website and inolved Israeli targets during Ramadan - which seemed a bit mixed up...

If this is anti-Jewish action it may eventually not be too big a problem for those of us from elsewhere who love visiting the Red Sea's Sinai coast, but still a terrible act.
Sadly a sign of our times and bound to occur eventually, but I've been much closer to terror acts in London.

Let us all hope that those friends we made who live and work in the area are safe and well.
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I have just checked the FCO site and they are still not advising against travel to Egypt or any specific areas.

My thoughts are with those involved in this atrocity.

luci :wave
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It is still quiet and peaceful this evening here in Nuweiba. I am located near the Hilton Nuweiba and right next door to the Tropicana Nuweiba.

This afternoon I drove up to the Taba check point - I did nt want to go further as I did nt really want to see the Taba Hilton .

Along the road everything seemed so normal, so picturesque, so quiet.

Yes, many Israelis were drivin home but for many tomorrow is their last day of the holidays.

I could see other persons on the beaches, in the water, relaxing, having fun...

Its all so sad and so unreal. As I sit here I am lost for words.

I can not promise you 100 % safety here. But I can not promise that your flight will arrive safely. No that your car or bus taking you to Gatwick or Manchester airport will arrive. But from my heart I believe it to be safe. So safe. I could not imagine it happening again. But then I never imagined it could have ever happened at all.

But the Hilton Nuweiba is a lovely Hotel, and the staff want you to come. And for sure, if the security was strict before in this part of Sinai, it is going to be really untra secure now.

Do come, do enjoy yourselves, and don't let the terrorists win.

Please.
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Swisssinai,

Thanks for the heartfelt reply, it was really touching. These are hard times for everyone. Here, we feel so nervous, and also so sad.. I don't know what will happen. We will wait and see...

J
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Thank you swissinia, your reports have been a great help in convincing us to carry on with our plans. We will still go to the Coral hilton next thursday and after expressing our heartfelt condolences to the trajic victims we will enjoy our holiday. . God bless.
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Swisssinai

That was a very moving post.

You must feel quite isolated, but at the same time you know that your 'home' is in the media spotlight as never before.

I imagine it all seems like a terrible dream. I'm sure other members would agree with me when I say my thoughts are with you and all those involved directly or indirectly. :ghug

I know it's a good few months yet until my family and I are due to travel, but as I said before, we're not backing out unless the FO advise against travel.

'Don't let the terrorists win'
Echoes my thoughts precisely.

Philippa
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